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简单翻了下。。。很多错误难免的，欢迎大家纠正。。。。 引用:Lavina, thoughtful piece of writing and I do think you have your point. However, here are a few thoughts on what you've said...
Lavina，你很有想法也有你自己的观点。但是我也想对你说的发表点看法
"I don't get it. Is the 60’s something to be proud of? "
“我不明白，60年代有什么好值得骄傲的？”
As a collective conscious, yes, the 60's is an era and a time in history that we should be knowledgeable and aware of. There's much we can learn (or,
perhaps, forget about) from history though, we, as humans often turn our heads from the past. I don't think anyone attached personal pride to that period of
time in any of these replies.
总体而言，的确如此。作为一个历史时期，我们应该对60年代有所了解。虽然我们应该向前看，但是还是有很多历史需要我们去学习（或者，也许是需要忘记的）。我不觉得有人
因为这个时代而洋洋得意啊。
"But how many of those who upheld the “Love
& Peace” banner of the 60’s knew the true meaning of
love and peace?"
“而60年代举着 爱与和平 旗帜的人又有多少人真正了解 爱与和平的意义呢？”
I don't think we have any quantitative account of how many people knew the meaning, however, there were many movements that led to action and changes during
that period which are still influential today in the peace keeping process. That's history that's been written. How does one measure influence in human
history?
我不知道到底有多少人了解爱与和平的意义，但是，是很多相关的运动为那个时代带来了变化，而这些变化迄今为止仍在为和平事业做着贡献。这就是历史。人类历史上的影响力
又该如何衡量呢？
"Embracing sexual freedom isn’t love, neither is it
true freedom. Rather, I see it as selfishness and self-
indulgence. Don’t you think the many problems of
society today take root from the sexual revolution of
the 60’s?"
“性自由不是爱，也不是真正的自由，我觉得那只是自私和放纵。你不觉得现在很多社会问题，归根结底都是60年代的性革命惹出来的吗？”
Again, nobody said that embracing sexual freedom is love. Sexual freedom and love are two separate things and were never used in comparison. Whether sexual
freedom in and of itself is selfish or self-indulgence is your personal opinion, like you said. Sexual freedom was not born in the 1960's. It was something
that existed probably as long as man existed. I'm sure one of sexual freedom's heights was during dynastic Chinese civilization and Roman civilizations? Are
there not evils from every era of mankind post-Genesis?
重申一下，没有人说过性自由就是爱。性自由和爱是两个截然不同的东西，完全没有可比性。性自由是否如你所说的是自私和放纵，都只是你的个人观点罢了。性自由并不是60年
代才有的。可能从人类存在开始就有了。我敢肯定性自由的最高峰是在古代中国或是古罗马文明时期？从人类起源起，每个时代都有其罪恶的地方，不是吗？
"Speaking of freedom, what’s true freedom? Is it being
able to do as one please? Nature has its law and
order, so is our society. If everyone does as he
pleases, what will the world become? How can peace be
found then?"
“说到自由，真正的自由是什么？为所欲为吗？大自然和人类社会都有他们的秩序。如果每个人都为所欲为，世界会变成什么样？而和平又何在呢？”
Are you defending a particular religion or moral concept? Freedom is what you make of it and that definition changes with different societies, eras and
governments. Freedom does not mean anarchy or some kind of an existential society defined by Nietzsche. This freedom isn't any extreme definition of the word
but the basic human need to express one's self (in a socially responsible manner) without harming others. I don't find this form of freedom offensive, do
you?
你是在捍卫某个宗教还是道德观念？何谓自由在于你怎么看待它，自由的定义是随社会，时代和政治而变化的。自由并不等同于混乱，或者是尼采所定义的社会存在。这个自由并
不是某种极端的定义，而是人类表达自己的基本需求（以对社会负责任的方式）不能伤害到别人。我觉得这种形式的自由并不会侵犯到他人，你觉得呢？
"The youth today may embrace hip-hop without
understanding the soul of hip-hop. How is that
different from those of the 60’s who embraced “love &
peace” without truly understanding love and peace? I
don’t see those of the 60’s being any less
superficial, just a lot more conceited."
“现在的年轻人酷爱嘻哈却并不了解嘻哈的灵魂。这和60年代的人叫嚣着爱与和平却并不了解什么是爱与和平有区别吗？我觉得60年代的人也不见得有什么深度，只是更自负罢了
”
Hip-hop is a form or music or, to some, a form of dress or esthetics. The "movement" of love and peace was a thought, attitude or perhaps, even, ideology.
How can these two be compared? It's comparing apples and oranges, which is better?
嘻哈是一种音乐形式，或者对一些人来说是一种服装文化和美感。爱与和平的”运动”是一种想法，一种态度，或者说是一种理想主义。这两者有可比性吗？这就好像苹果和桔子
哪个好吃一样，没有意义。
Perhaps if you wanted to compare the hip-hop and hippie movement and their attached "lifestyles" that would be more pertinent.
如果你是在比较嘻哈和嬉皮运动以及他们的“生活方式”，可能还有点说头。
Please remember, the hippie movement and lifestyle in the 60's was not a transplanted culture or form, it evolved in the 60's in California. Hip-hop did NOT
evolve in Asia. It evolved amongst African-Americans and their lifestyles. Therefore, my point was that in order to truly understand the "soul" of hip-hop
(especially being that it's not indigenous to our culture) we need to delve deeper into understanding it's origins and roots. My other point was that hip-hop
music would find it difficult to sustain itself in Asia because we've transplanted it's physical elements but not it's inner core. Is there anything wrong
with "embracing" these exterior or esthetic elements? Of course not. However, the soul and meaning of things gets lost in time which, to me, is worth
lamenting.
请记住，60年代的嬉皮运动和生活方式并不是一种外来文化，它融入在了60年代加州的生活中。而嘻哈与亚洲无关。嘻哈是美国黑人的生活方式。因此，我的观点是，想要真正了
解嘻哈的“灵魂”（尤其嘻哈并不是我们的本土文化）我们应该要更深入的了解它的根源。我的另一个想法是，嘻哈很难在亚洲立足，因为我们只是接触到了它的外在而不是核心
。那么“接受”这种外在的美好的事物有错吗？当然没错。但是，事物的灵魂和意义随着时光流逝，我觉得很悲哀。
This piece was not written to be conceited or offensive but to offer to some people a view into an era that I found very seminal in the making of our modern
20th century world. I was born on the tail of that decade but was a benefactor from it. I didn't expect some of you would take to the defensive on this. I
hope this explains somewhat my intentions and motivations.
我写这篇回复并不是因为自负或者想抨击谁，只是想让你们了解一个对现代影响很大的时代。我生于60年代末，收益良多。我不指望所有人都认同我。只是希望能让你们稍微了解
一下我的意图和动机。
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